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• 4/22/2009 1:02 PM donkeytale wrote:
  One thing that is telling, especially deep in the heart of Texass, is the pervasive influence of Hannity.
  
  I mean, I've been listening to Limbaugh since the 80s, when he first came on. You have to give the guy his props. Especially for a junkie. I mean, whoever heard of a fat junkie? Limbaugh is a first in many ways. But he is funny. And as I have discovered, his depiction of "liberals", which I more generally term the "whiteysphere" is pretty accurate.
  
  I enjoy Limbaugh because I can keep him in context.
  
  Hannity is different. Hannity is like a blogger with a TV show. Its just incessant hammering without let up.
  
  And yet, I run into people all over Texas, who will repeat to me verbatim the Sean Hannity/Limbaugh version of reality as if it were their own.
  
  Currently, I am working on separate projects with two guyz, one In houston and the other in Austin, who have never met, and all I hear is the crisis started with Fannie and Freddie, blah blah blog. And one of them is an African American, not that that matters, but again, keeping it all in context.
  
  Thats the key in the infoboob tube years.
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  1. 4/25/2009 10:50 AM donkeytale wrote:
     Thus Spaketh MetaJesus:
     
     Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
     
     Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
     
     Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
     
     Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
     
     Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
     
     Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them,
     
     I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
     
     24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
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     1. 4/25/2009 3:53 PM socrates wrote:
        The strange thing to me is how accepted we are at these forums for a gavien time. When I was new at FSZ and had taken my first unprovoked attacks from Deedogg and Lauren S, I was ready to leave. Number5 was the the only other person I knew at the time. No need to suffer fools. I mean, either back up the critique, or leave me alone, right?
        
        But then the dubious usernames backed off and kind of in their own way were nice to me. They lured me back in. My stuff was getting front paged.
        
        This is my working theory. These places love individualism at first. They figure our worst flaws are what the readers see. So I am see as a whackjob making up stuff about the skies. Donkeytale is seen by them as a disruptor. Abbeysbooks is seen as a hater of the Muslim religion.
        
        At first we serve their purposes. We also have a distaste for Kos and his rigged forum. But was a place like FSZ actually ever anti-Kos? Was Maryscott O'Connor ever really anti-Kos? Think about it.
        
        There are herds, anti-herd herds, unwashed masses of lurkers, and the few individuals.
        
        The few of us have our flaws magnified. The only time we become in jeopardy is when we start to get into the motherlode of all meta. Our troubles begin on the alleged offshoot renegade forums when it can be seen that there are funky looking white-outs and Obama's Science Advisor puts geoengineering on the table; when it can be seen that abbeysbooks' concerns seem to be with female circumcision taking place within various Muslim communities; when donkeytale along with a mere few of us confronted Jack head on with his lies.
        
        When the lurkers can see that we various folks are "regular people," that we are willing to let the reader decide, that we are not going to take injustice on the chin, that is when the other side resorts to outright cheating and cybersmear attacks.
        
        One can look at the UGOG files and see how it all works. I believe Fingerit is a form of cointelpro. Call him and Bouldin political operatives, call them late to dinner, call them what you want to. But their blueprint was to create herds. We are talking social-psychology 101. As Wilhelm Reich explained in the Mass Psychology of Fascism, it is the psychology of the people who form the bedrock for totalitarianism.
        
        They will allow individualism, as long as it doesn't attack the very premise of their structures. No one is allowed to post at MLW, FSZ, or DKos and expose them for what they are without being banned. You can only be an individual, if you turn the cheek to the overall corrupt forum systems.
        
        They had no problem with Dave. He helped support DKos and FSZ. But then something triggered Fingerit to target Dave for banishment. My only thought is that Fingerit and his people are somewhat affiliated to those Long Island rightwingers like Hannity, or he is a form of cointelpro. What else could explain it?
        
        As for FSZ, it was a repeat. Why would Jack ever ban Dave. It was counter-productive? Dave made FSZ what it was. Banning Dave ruined FSZ.
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        1. 4/25/2009 4:33 PM socrates wrote:
           sorry for any bad typos. It should read "for a given time" above.
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     2. 4/25/2009 4:31 PM socrates wrote:
        A few more thoughts....
        
        The Kos industry does not want the reader to decide. But they also want the illusion to remain that there is free speech. The actual concept put forth by the Bush Administration and espoused by shites like Hannity are for free speech zones. The irony is oh so very rich to see people claiming to be progressives undertake these same fascistic methodologies.
        
        Their fallback plan is to label the heretics as being 'whackjobs'. That is the new catch phrase, since tinfoiler, moonbat, and cuckoo bananas have run their course.
        
        Here's the basic premise I have noticed since becoming a 'troll'. The blog ptb's work from a model that even bad publicity is good publicity, since such things initially lead to increased traffic.
        
        I used to get posted by Arianna Huffington all the time on her specific blog entry. But when she flubbed up with the Peter Rost/Yacomink stuff and then with the George Clooney thingie, I put her feet to the fire, as a 'friend'.
        
        Even though I was eloquent like Steven Biko asking her to correct the wrongs, to turn huffPo fluff pieces into more pertinent content, when I begged her to clean up her website, that was when I got censored.
        
        I wasn't banned from her place. But I was put into the "free speech zone" where no one is really heard in 1000 comment threads that are gone as soon as the next news cycle begins.
        
        Jack's Smirking Revenge banned us from his alleged free speech zone because we were able to defend Dave's honour in a way that the reader could see that FSZ was an extension of DKos and the UGOGs.
        
        Their model is that the herd and anti-herd herds are allowed to post as long as the underlying framework or integrity or the bedrock as Donkeytale puts it, is allowed to remain unscathed.
        
        Yet, if anyone effectively aims the truth detector or critical thinking towards the 'Masters', like DFQ did, the nuclear option is enacted.
        
        The power players break every rule in the FAQ book. "Truthseekers" are then manipulated into thinking that certain rules of conduct have been lifted, kind of the idea of a fight club. But it is merely a bait and switch to provoke the heretics into suicide by blogcop.
        
        There is a phrase that applies to what we are witnessing. It encompasses what is wrong with the power structure of the so-called progressive blogosphere. It can be referred to as being in a legitimation Crisis. The following definition pertains to economics, but one could apply it to many facets of society and rules of debate, imho.
        
        http://www.answers.com/topic/legitimation-crisis
        
        

        A theory developed in the mid-1970s by the German Marxist Jürgen Habermas, a leading member of the Frankfurt School. He suggests that people expect governments to intervene successfully in the economy to try and ensure economic prosperity. Failure to succeed can cause the validity of the capitalist system to be questioned, thus undermining its legitimacy.
        
        — Ian Fraser
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• 4/25/2009 8:29 PM supersoling wrote:
  The nuclear option was triggered on Dave because he was outing people. You hear that? Of the two known rules at FSZ Dave was openly breaking one. He was threatening to do more. On this matter I was reluctantly 100% behind his banning. The guy had plenty of chances to modify that one aspect of his behavior at that site and chose not to.
  
  You want to know the reason why my opinion of you shifted 180 degrees? It's exactly because of this kind of outright bullshit that you ply over and over and over again. Brother. I was pretty much the only thing standing between you and the pirhanas. Me and Vox. We were the only one's defending your right to splash your spy novels all over the place.
  
  Now you're all bent out of shape because I gave Maryscott a little heads up about you. I've known her on the blogs for a long time. A long time. She's mercurial. She's flighty. She's a lot of things. Foremost though, she has a big fucking heart and will give and give and give again, chances to people like you. What did you promptly do when you came in out of the clouds? You went out of your way to make an ass out of yourself and make me look like Nostradamus. You're a creepy fuck. You did all that and STILL she gave you another chance to operate within her rules. Nah.
  
  Dude, you have ozone leaking out of your ears. Call me disinfo. Call me crazy. Call me late for dinner, hahaha :o) You know what? I still disagree with your banning from FSZ. Not for you or any belief in the bizarre, strained connections you weave together, but for the simple fact that you broke no known rule, until the rules were changed. Dave did break the rules and got banned for his own actions.
  
  You've got one thing right about me. I am in the anti-herd herd. You, you're like a fucking platypus or something. Not male, not female. Androgenous. An undefined nothing with the imagination of a raging autistic.
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  1. 4/26/2009 11:51 AM socrates wrote:
     

     You've got one thing right about me. I am in the anti-herd herd. You, you're like a fucking platypus or something. Not male, not female. Androgenous. An undefined nothing with the imagination of a raging autistic.

     
     
     You sound just like any of those vicious people who dominate at Daily Kos. Thanks for proving my point about how unfair you debate on forums. For those folks who missed it, I explained this in the previous thread.
     
     http://davefromqueens.com/2009/04/19/the-tea-nuts-come-out-of-the-closet.aspx
     
     I linked to a supersoling quote where he claimed Dave was an unethical blogger. Dave did not out anyone, not one person. How can you out someone who outed themself? Sure, if someone had told Dave personal info, or Dave had hired a private investigator to find info in real life, or if he had some super duper computer inside info from some intel creep who could probably figure out each of our names, and then if Dave had provided that info, then sure, that would have been unethical blogging. Dave simply reported what is or was available to anyone on the internet.
     
     Let me give you an example close to home. Am I outing you because you have provided your hometown along with a photo?
     
     Michael Long of Southold, New York- the North Fork, Long Island area.
     
     http://mynetimages.com/070523d4.jpg
     http://mynetimages.com/8850997e.jpg
     
     I can find the Sothold link for ya, if you like. I think you mentioned that at Booman Tribune and also on a local board from your area, which ironically is where a lot of rightwingers like Sean Hannity come from.
     
     Did you read Dave's diary at DKos on The Lessons of Long Island? Did you know Fingerit went after Dave unprovoked, starting after DFQ wrote up his stuff concerning the bookstores and Hannity and Levin?
     
     I really don't post the way you have been doing since 2005. I deal with facts.
     
     You are everywhere. It's like you're desperate to get the word supersoling associated with the evoking of authority. Hey, whatever rocks your boat, Michael Long of Long Island.
     
     http://mynetimages.com/2aa2ea1e.jpg
     
     Dave outed nobody.
     
     And good job supporting Maryscott O'Connor, the Queen gatekeeper for suppressing the truth about Markos Alberto Moulitsas Zuniga. Who you gonna stick up for next- Armando, ThereIsNoSpoon, KarmaFish, and the corrupt Kos himself?
     
     Much more to come, Michael. Not all about you though, so don't sweat it. A man's man like you has taken care of the crazy girlie-man. [/sarcasm]
     
     Thanks again. Wow.
     
     I was actually starting to think you are simply an unfair, bullying blogger. Yet, this post of yours does reek like a pro would write it. It was as if you were attacking Dave, and I just happened to be here. Dave was a great man who broke no rules or ethics.
     
     As noom would say, who I'm not, ha ha @ u.
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     1. 4/26/2009 4:25 PM supersoling wrote:
        stop it please. You're scaring me now :o)
        
        Hey, can you find the one of me and my blog friends from Booman Tribune on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial? That was a great picture of all of us. I miss them and can't seem to find it anywhere anymore.
        
        Can you help a guy out?
        
        Thanks :o)
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        1. 4/26/2009 5:00 PM socrates wrote:
           It just goes to show that Dave didn't break any blog ethics. Michael Fingerit outed himself. Michael Bouldin outed himself.
           
           I've got one final tidbit to share on supersoling. {Folks should also check out the other thread too from this website, where Michael Long had a Bouldin-like meltdown and wrote in Kos-hate speech dialect.
           
           How come so many of the leaders of "progressive" blogs have military ties?
           
           http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2005/11/11/9719/4164/16#c16
           
           My Brother Ryan, MilitaryTracy, BrotherFeldspar, Supersoling and me...
           Nov. 11th, 2005
           
           MilitaryTracy runs interference for Markos Moulitsas Zuniga, just like Michael Long's friend Maryscott O'Connor does.
           
           http://www.docudharma.com/diary/2287/
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           1. 4/26/2009 5:24 PM supersoling wrote:
              well,
              that's close, but not the actual one I was looking for. I had hopes for you and you're letting me down already, Slackrates
              
              btw,
              on top of outing people at FSZ, Dave was continually making threats to do the same. That isn't a moral judgement of him. Just a fact. I actually admired his willingness to fight back against the kreeps at dkos. A breed different than what was at FSZ at the time. What's there now is the same as dkos kreeps.
              
              Anyway,
              could you look a little harder for that Lincoln Memorial pic for me?
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• 4/27/2009 2:06 AM socrates wrote:
  Please Donate Money In Memory of Dave and an Open Letter to the Weintraub Family About My Internet Activities
  http://davefromqueens2.blogspot.com
  
  I Am Not Anonymous
  http://myleftwing.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=24790
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